Keywords, Mobile Barcodes and Mobile SEO?
A very interesting comment has been posted by Swampthing on my article about Mobile Barcodes reaching tipping point. I wanted to elaborate because it got me thinking about SEO issues and how one click to content (images) could be indexed via Search Engines for data discovery.
The comment is here:
What about keywords? Is Google, whose main source of income is keyword based, going to let one click to content from keywords, logos, trademarks slip thru their fingers.
Who says it needs to be just about codes?
How many physical world objects do you walk past daily? Do you see a 2D code on them? What if I just wanted to say the keyword into the mobile browser to get information?
What if the mobile application has already been developed for that interaction and there is a patent protecting it?
Why not just buy it up, finish the discussions, and continue building a bigger and better platform around it?
What we think?
OK – this comment was directed at mbarc – but I have thought about this and it seems as though there might be a Mobile SEO problem for barcodes with keyword issues and search engines. But then I thought about an SEO course I have nearly finished and the solution or answer whacked me across the top of my head.
There is a lot of hype surrounding mobile visual search and indexing images into a mobile visual search engine. This would work in collaboration with location based services and images would be indexed according to the tag or place where they were geo-located. So if you take a picture of Buckingham Palace you index it my name, place, location.
This way the image is tagged and can be searched for via a visual engine –based on the tag.
But, what about barcodes?
So its more of a question than an answer and any techies out there if you can answer this please do.
In order to index barcodes could companies use the “alt attributes” in the code instead of the URL – so all you see is the barcode; but behind this the results are relevant to any keyword search.
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10 Responses to “Keywords, Mobile Barcodes and Mobile SEO?”
Thanks for hearing my voice!
Comment made on February 18th, 2008 at 6:19 amI like the out of the box idea of Swampthing too. Just wonder if a keyword will bring you directly to the object. Just type in a word in Google and you know this isn’t enough. But location (GPS) and keyword will. But why not OCR read text and search? Or recognise object contours and search. Now the pattern recognition sw is needing too much processing power to do volumetrics on a phone so the barcode now is just an intermadiate solution and its a hell of a job to get all objects tagged and….. bla bla bla (here the usual story about phones, etc).
Maybe thinking outside the box will give new creative SEO input methods.
Comment made on February 18th, 2008 at 8:23 amRon,
what about a vertical search for barcodes only - so when uses keyword search for special offers? Would that work within the pattern recognition software?
Is anyone working on this?
Comment made on February 19th, 2008 at 8:41 amBena
Bena, I feel a bit stupid but don’t understand what you mean…
Comment made on February 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pmOCR, so text scanning is standard on any imaging 2D scanner.
Hi Bena,
This is a very interesting discussion, and it has no real parallels in traditional SEO that I know of. Thanks for the post.
The only thing that I can think of that would be similar would be indexing multiple URLs. The search engines might not index a bar code, as it wouldn’t be seen as original content, but a portal to original content, similar to vanity URLs being used in print advertising and redirected to the canonical web site. It’s hard to tell how the engines would react, however, as there aren’t many parallels to this in traditional SEO. Sort of like discussing hypotheticals or science fiction.
As for letting the engines know what that bar code is relevant to, I would imagine that there would be multiple ways to include keywords, but I don’t know that they would be necessary. Google does own Neven’s iScout now, which is a pretty sophisticated visual search technology that doesn’t even need bar codes to return relevant information for images. It would seem that they would be able to recognize bar codes as they could faces and such, without embedding alt text or any keywords at all.
Perhaps there’s someone from Mobot or iScout here that would like to comment?
Either way, since the content that’s returned is usually already indexed under a URL, I don’t know that the engines would be interested in indexing it again, given their historical stance on duplicate content.
Great post!
Comment made on February 19th, 2008 at 4:01 pmBryson thank-you.
Everyone please bear with me. I am a mobile PPC guru on mobile and self- taught SEO. I am trying to grasp mobile SEO and define strategies that will enable companies to succeed - beyond the traditional methods.
For example in some cost vs value advertisign charts that I create recently I realised the value was found not only by the number of clicks but the position on the mobile search engine.
So that is the background. Bryson, very interesting on Mobot. You know that NeoMedia used to own Mobot?
So obviously the company thinks that barcode search can be done independently of visual search.
Re. Neven Vision - Google has been very very quiet on that and the one of the orginal founders has left Google to create another competing service?
I have an interview with Mobot CEO that I will write up shortly on this.
But Bryson - When you say “I am not sure that the engines would be interested in indexing it again” but on mobile its all about contextual search or vertical search. On top of that there is user generated search and more enterprises will want to push coupons, barcodes and adverts to mobile consumer within the mobile contextual search results.
I have found that duplicate content on mobile is not a negative in mobile (as yet).
What I what to know if more manipulation of existing online search criteria can effect the results of a mobile search engine like oneSearch.
Comment made on February 20th, 2008 at 2:30 amHi Bena,
My point in bringing up mobile visual search is only to say that search engines won’t necessarily need keywords next to bar codes in order to determine the relevance of the bar code. I’m sure bar code search can be done independently, but I believe the presence of that technology would allow Google to return relevant results for a bar code without embedding text.
Re: Neven Vision, do you think the acquisition might have had something to do with Google’s recent patent for reading text in images and video?
Very interested in the Mobot CEO interview.
You’re right about duplicate content in mobile search, which I noted a while ago in the mobile SEO white paper. What might make it different is the fact that bar codes by themselves aren’t original content, but doorways to content. Google’s mobile search indexing of multiple versions of content seems to be a boon to the webmaster who makes content accessible to multiple mobile devices, when most aren’t making content accessible to a single mobile device. It’s the same content, just coded differently. In the case of bar codes, all of the content is independent of the bar code. As such, the bar code would mostly be analogous to indexing multiple URLs with the same content, which at this point I don’t believe Google mobile does.
At any rate, I think we can both agree that it will be interesting to see what happens in this space. Thanks for introducing the topic.
As for your last comment, I wouldn’t say manipulation, but the basic premise behind SEO is that there are certain signals that a search engine will interpret to determine the relevance to a query, and that being aware of these signals and developing content with this awareness will affect the search engine results. In my experience the same is true for mobile SEO. What differs is the signals and the queries. But, simply put, absolutely. Being aware of the elements that the mobile search engines like oneSearch pay attention to and acting on that knowledge can affect the search results.
Comment made on February 20th, 2008 at 11:53 amBryson, thank-you. I fear you are becoming my new best friend in Mobile SEO!
Lets try and keep up this debate - I think its missing at the moment! Bena
Comment made on February 20th, 2008 at 10:23 pmMaybe its good to go back to the real differentiator between mobile search and online search and then brainstorm what the best SEO technology is and what would the best search engine approach. The discussion till now have been derailing many times because they where technology driven.
Cheers, Ron
Comment made on February 21st, 2008 at 11:35 amInteresting
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ByYozGOI
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